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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 02:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really happy to see you talking about this, it&#039;s something that I struggle with big time.

For me it often happens with hugs - I&#039;ll give someone a half hug and I get the &quot;c&#039;mon that&#039;s the best you can do?&quot;. Then I hug them in a way that makes me totally uncomfortable because I&#039;m afraid to speak up and cause a scene.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really happy to see you talking about this, it&#8217;s something that I struggle with big time.</p>
<p>For me it often happens with hugs &#8211; I&#8217;ll give someone a half hug and I get the &#8220;c&#8217;mon that&#8217;s the best you can do?&#8221;. Then I hug them in a way that makes me totally uncomfortable because I&#8217;m afraid to speak up and cause a scene.<br />
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		<title>By: Vicki Jean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vicki Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two simple words: BACK OFF! Would have been suffiecient. No explanation would be necessary, such as you stated, &quot;You are making me uncomfortable.&quot; That just gives them a feeling of being in charge, which is what they want, and enjoy the most. Sorry that happened to you but can tell by your testimony, it will never happen again. 
I struggled with boundaries for years because I was raised to be the nice girl as well. I was violated so many times in so many different ways. I am now consider a tough soul, (to put it in a nice way) but I don&#039;t care. It&#039;s better than feeling afraid and helpless. I wish you all the best for any future encounters. I&#039;m sure you will know how to handle it now. Don&#039;t know you, but am sending a hug! Love, Vicki Jean
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two simple words: BACK OFF! Would have been suffiecient. No explanation would be necessary, such as you stated, &#8220;You are making me uncomfortable.&#8221; That just gives them a feeling of being in charge, which is what they want, and enjoy the most. Sorry that happened to you but can tell by your testimony, it will never happen again.<br />
I struggled with boundaries for years because I was raised to be the nice girl as well. I was violated so many times in so many different ways. I am now consider a tough soul, (to put it in a nice way) but I don&#8217;t care. It&#8217;s better than feeling afraid and helpless. I wish you all the best for any future encounters. I&#8217;m sure you will know how to handle it now. Don&#8217;t know you, but am sending a hug! Love, Vicki Jean<br />
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		<title>By: Christina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 13:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great work taking care of your boundaries

There&#039;s a piece of this from a boundary point of view that I think is important.  The kind of person/behavior you&#039;re describing is oriented on the group, not the individual.  Even though the hookups may be one-on-one the ubiquitous focus makes it a group dynamic.  It&#039;s been my experience that ONLY embarrassing people like this in front of the group and bringing the hidden dynamic to the light really works.  Part of the problem is the group rules about politeness and appropriateness.

That&#039;s not your job as the person on the spot, but something to think about.  Perhaps a role for the host(s) of one of many the parties where this has happened?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great work taking care of your boundaries</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a piece of this from a boundary point of view that I think is important.  The kind of person/behavior you&#8217;re describing is oriented on the group, not the individual.  Even though the hookups may be one-on-one the ubiquitous focus makes it a group dynamic.  It&#8217;s been my experience that ONLY embarrassing people like this in front of the group and bringing the hidden dynamic to the light really works.  Part of the problem is the group rules about politeness and appropriateness.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not your job as the person on the spot, but something to think about.  Perhaps a role for the host(s) of one of many the parties where this has happened?</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are totally right; bravo.

The way that this gets hard for me is in boundaries that aren&#039;t about my physical body.  Does &quot;I need you to do/not do X so that I will feel safe&quot; count as a reasonable request when X is, say &quot;not yell at me?&quot;  What do I do when someone with whom I have a treasured relationship -- a friend, a family member, a partner -- cannot or will not respect that?  What about when our needs honestly conflict?  How do I balance &quot;I understand that your intention is not to violate my boundaries&quot; with &quot;I have explained to you that the effect of that behavior is to violate my boundaries?&quot;

Good stuff to think about.  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are totally right; bravo.</p>
<p>The way that this gets hard for me is in boundaries that aren&#8217;t about my physical body.  Does &#8220;I need you to do/not do X so that I will feel safe&#8221; count as a reasonable request when X is, say &#8220;not yell at me?&#8221;  What do I do when someone with whom I have a treasured relationship &#8212; a friend, a family member, a partner &#8212; cannot or will not respect that?  What about when our needs honestly conflict?  How do I balance &#8220;I understand that your intention is not to violate my boundaries&#8221; with &#8220;I have explained to you that the effect of that behavior is to violate my boundaries?&#8221;</p>
<p>Good stuff to think about.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Krin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Krin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thankyou, this echoes so closely what I have been dealing with for the past 10 years, as well as directly struggling with in the last year as I embarked on what is hopefully a lifeling relationship. 

The only two counselling sessions I have ever had both spoke about my inability to set boundaries. I thought it was just my special head that allowed this to happen. It&#039;s good to know it isn&#039;t. 

The issue is coming up again, most recently in the last week, and this post may help me to communicate my past to the people who need to know.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thankyou, this echoes so closely what I have been dealing with for the past 10 years, as well as directly struggling with in the last year as I embarked on what is hopefully a lifeling relationship. </p>
<p>The only two counselling sessions I have ever had both spoke about my inability to set boundaries. I thought it was just my special head that allowed this to happen. It&#8217;s good to know it isn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>The issue is coming up again, most recently in the last week, and this post may help me to communicate my past to the people who need to know.<br />
.-= Krin´s last blog ..<a href="http://verdarun.wordpress.com/2010/02/11/year-of-the-tiger-pt-1/" rel="nofollow">Year of the Tiger. pt 1</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Item! Trust. Crankiness. Measuring cups. &#124; cuinlalaland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Item! Trust. Crankiness. Measuring cups. &#124; cuinlalaland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: scwizard</title>
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		<dc:creator>scwizard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 07:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But all I could manage was a meek squeak and darting away as fast as possible.&lt;/i&gt;
It&#039;s a tough battle against yourself.

I heard from one girl that martial arts helped her with this sort of thing, because it becomes a gut reaction. Instead of having to cut through all the inner gunk that makes standing up for yourself so difficult, it&#039;s just a matter of reflexively counter attacking when someone attacks you, since you&#039;ve practiced doing it so many times.

If tons and tons of time, your practice partner has run at you, and you&#039;ve thrown them, then when someone runs at you in real life, you throw them, because that&#039;s what you&#039;ve practiced doing.

That&#039;s a shortcut. Cutting through the inner gunk may be more difficult, but it might also be more rewarding. Also important to note that the two aren&#039;t mutually exclusive paths.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But all I could manage was a meek squeak and darting away as fast as possible.</i><br />
It&#8217;s a tough battle against yourself.</p>
<p>I heard from one girl that martial arts helped her with this sort of thing, because it becomes a gut reaction. Instead of having to cut through all the inner gunk that makes standing up for yourself so difficult, it&#8217;s just a matter of reflexively counter attacking when someone attacks you, since you&#8217;ve practiced doing it so many times.</p>
<p>If tons and tons of time, your practice partner has run at you, and you&#8217;ve thrown them, then when someone runs at you in real life, you throw them, because that&#8217;s what you&#8217;ve practiced doing.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a shortcut. Cutting through the inner gunk may be more difficult, but it might also be more rewarding. Also important to note that the two aren&#8217;t mutually exclusive paths.<br />
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		<title>By: Hayden Tompkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hayden Tompkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 03:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I later found out that he’s something of a sexual troll – he gets involved in groups and then tries to make it with as many of the women as possible without anyone finding out.&quot;

UGH.  UGH!!

First of all, ew.  Second of all, what you&#039;ve described is a sexual predator.  And what makes me so angry about all of this, aside from the fact that you had to deal with this, is that I&#039;ve done the same thing...not spoken up when I should have.  Not set boundaries when I needed to.  Not been willing to YELL no matter how it &#039;makes me look&#039;.

Thank you for writing about this.

Meanwhile, WHY IS THIS SEXUAL PREDATOR STILL GETTING INVITED TO PARTIES?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I later found out that he’s something of a sexual troll – he gets involved in groups and then tries to make it with as many of the women as possible without anyone finding out.&#8221;</p>
<p>UGH.  UGH!!</p>
<p>First of all, ew.  Second of all, what you&#8217;ve described is a sexual predator.  And what makes me so angry about all of this, aside from the fact that you had to deal with this, is that I&#8217;ve done the same thing&#8230;not spoken up when I should have.  Not set boundaries when I needed to.  Not been willing to YELL no matter how it &#8216;makes me look&#8217;.</p>
<p>Thank you for writing about this.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, WHY IS THIS SEXUAL PREDATOR STILL GETTING INVITED TO PARTIES?</p>
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		<title>By: Megan M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Megan M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If I had said something like, “Back off. You’re making me uncomfortable,” I would have gotten my point very clearly across and probably wouldn’t have had to deal with him making furtive attempts at eye contact for the rest of the party.&lt;/i&gt;

I really like this take -- and I really like that you went through a couple of options including this one. I&#039;ve gone to the extent of repeating over and over to myself, &quot;Sorry, I&#039;m not comfortable with that,&quot; to make it more likely that I would actually say it if a situation came up. I really like the fierce &quot;Back off. You&#039;re making me uncomfortable.&quot; I will definitely use it. It&#039;s killer.

Good vibes, lady.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If I had said something like, “Back off. You’re making me uncomfortable,” I would have gotten my point very clearly across and probably wouldn’t have had to deal with him making furtive attempts at eye contact for the rest of the party.</i></p>
<p>I really like this take &#8212; and I really like that you went through a couple of options including this one. I&#8217;ve gone to the extent of repeating over and over to myself, &#8220;Sorry, I&#8217;m not comfortable with that,&#8221; to make it more likely that I would actually say it if a situation came up. I really like the fierce &#8220;Back off. You&#8217;re making me uncomfortable.&#8221; I will definitely use it. It&#8217;s killer.</p>
<p>Good vibes, lady.<br />
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		<title>By: Karilee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karilee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ick, creepy guy. As Heather said, your community could be more proactive in shunning this guy. One of the blessings of my online gaming guild is fierce women members... and men who are just as fierce if they&#039;re treated badly. Yet I do understand how programmed we are to put up with this stuff and &quot;not make a fuss&quot;. Looking back now to how I would have reacted a couple of decades ago, if I were in your shoes, makes me shake my head.

Another word I like is &quot;ferocious&quot;. I got that from Pete Michaud. One of the reasons I started reading &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.petermichaud.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pete Michaud&#039;s blog&lt;/a&gt;, which I now enjoy tremendously, was because he commented that he surrounds himself with ferocious women.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ick, creepy guy. As Heather said, your community could be more proactive in shunning this guy. One of the blessings of my online gaming guild is fierce women members&#8230; and men who are just as fierce if they&#8217;re treated badly. Yet I do understand how programmed we are to put up with this stuff and &#8220;not make a fuss&#8221;. Looking back now to how I would have reacted a couple of decades ago, if I were in your shoes, makes me shake my head.</p>
<p>Another word I like is &#8220;ferocious&#8221;. I got that from Pete Michaud. One of the reasons I started reading <a href="http://www.petermichaud.com" rel="nofollow">Pete Michaud&#8217;s blog</a>, which I now enjoy tremendously, was because he commented that he surrounds himself with ferocious women.<br />
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